One of the highlights of my 17 days in Los Angeles—where I was attending and reporting from the Television Critics Association’s summer press tour—was being a guest on a reality TV production company’s podcast. We talked about this crazy and amazing genre of television, and also about my past criticism of one of their shows. Altogether, a great conversation.

Afterwards, I interviewed them about their podcast, which I’d been a fan of long before they invited me on as a guest. Listen on any podcast app (it’s episode #48 of The Jay and Tony Show Show) or at the end of my story.